...and having gone far enough back in my notes....I can now see what a potential threat, that 'superman-encounter-on-ellis-road' had been...one of THE CARMEL mob, eh? well thank you dazzlenation and CF for how does one put it...minimalizing the threat....go figure...see previous notes/posts....let's hope that he doesn't fly off a building then....because turkeys can't fly...or I don't think that they can, at any rate...