oh and in relation to that 'Andrew marr' with his fan and snuff pic....well, as far as I can remember...he had walked into a BI office with those photos "you might find these useful" (a bit of a white rabbit then? somebody was to ask)....pics of 'shanghai long ago'....how had he come by them? all I know is that the CIA had already acquired reproductions...having found out that the images had been used by the NSA on the networks....go figure.